Monday, March 1, 2010

A pro-choice survey of sorts

The Abortioneers have posted a survey -- "How Pro-choice Are You?" -- that can help you examine your views on abortion. My answers:

Do you Agree or Disagree with the following statements:

1. Every woman has the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy regardless of when during the pregnancy. Agree

2. Abortion should be allowed even beyond 24 weeks of pregnancy. Agree

3. Parental consent should be required for any teen under the age of 18 requesting an abortion. Disagree

4. Women who have more than 5 abortions are irresponsible. Disagree

5. Women who have more than 10 abortions are irresponsible. Disagree, but I do think something is going on there.

6. Women should not use abortion as a form of birth control. Disagree

7. I think reproductive health advocacy organizations should promote the use of emergency contraception in order to decrease the number of abortions in the US each year. Hello? Agree! (And while we're at it, can the price of that come down a bit? Make it more affordable for all women, please?)

8. I feel uncomfortable if a woman has an abortion because of the gender of the pregnancy. Agree -- as in I myself feel uncomfortable with that. But it's not up to me to declare why a woman should or shouldn't get an abortion.

9. Male partners should have the right to be a part of the decision to terminate a pregnancy. Disagree. It's great if a couple does decide that together, but once you start instituting a man's "right," you could be looking at forced births. And that's a big No.

10. I think a woman's right to choose to have an abortion is an absolute and inalienable right no matter what. Agree.

One more activity to sit with is an open-ended finish the sentence:

1. Abortions are: often unfortunate. In most cases it means something went wrong somewhere -- unplanned pregnancy, failed birth control, problem pregnancy, etc. In some cases it means a crime occurred -- rape, incest. In all cases, every woman who wants or needs an abortion should have the access and means to procure one.

2. Women who have abortions are: your neighbor, coworker, friend, relative, etc. They are women, everywhere.

3. A woman facing an unwanted pregnancy needs to: consider her options and decide what is best for her, and perhaps consult with people she trusts.

4. In this country, abortion should be: safe, legal and available. Always.

5. People working to restrict abortion should: 1. Stop trying to push religious beliefs onto others who don't believe the same, and 2. Stop calling themselves "pro-life" and go with "anti-abortion" and/or "anti-choice," both of which are more accurate. They also should really think through what they're trying to do (often a logic class or two would help), because to me, most of these people can't see past their "babies come before everything" blinders.

6. People working on behalf of women's right to choose should: also be working on ways to reduce abortion, by promoting sex education and proper contraceptive use. And please, don't give up!


Thordaddy said...

Imagine being so thoroughly indoctrinated that you honestly believe that killing YOUR child in utero is the essence of freedom?

Or better yet, imagine that you honestly believe that your mother hypothetically aborting you WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD THING for the simple fact that she chose that abortion freely.

Can you coherently weave this together as it represents your fundamental worldview?

Do think those that believe the latter scenario should really get their say on civilizational matters?

Razor said...

You know, if my mother would have aborted me, I wouldn't care. You know why? Because I never would have existed, how could I care?

I guess we should outlaw male masturbation too? It's a genocide on every Kleenex.

Thordaddy said...


Who cares IF YOU DON'T know you were killed because that sorry retort wouldn't work if somebody put a bat across the back of your head without your knowledge.

Razor said...

I don't even know how to respond to something so astoundingly stupid. If I'm murdered, I can't care about it after the fact, because I'm fucking dead. But I don't want to be murdered because I have a vested interest in continuing my existence. However, if I never existed, like if my mom got an abortion, how can I care? I have no vested interest in my existence as a zygote.

But since you're equating abortion to murder, I guess every miscarriage should be tried as involuntary manslaughter? And like I said before, we have to outlaw male masturbation, because all those sperm were potential babies!

Rosie said...


I have no earthly idea what makes you think I'm indoctrinated in any way. Also, nowhere am I talking about MY uterus, so please don't assume what I would do if there were a fetus in it. Nor did I say anywhere that any abortion is a "good thing."

If you'd like to have a discussion, you're going to have 1. read what I wrote, and 2. comprehend it.


Thordaddy said...


Clearly, those who are in favor of their own annihilation are not worthy of discussing our collective path as a society.

You say that NOW you have a vested interest in being alive BUT if you were killed without premeditated knowledge then what of your killing? You can't possibly call it murder, can you? Let's call it a post-natal culling. And if it was your mother doing the deed, it would be PERFECTLY legitimate.

PS One can not abort the nonexistent.

Thordaddy said...


I read the blog entry that I commented on. You're a doctrinaire pro-abortionist. Why even deny this?

If there is in fact some special thinking that you accede to that distinguishes you from the rest of the pro-abortionists then it is clearly hidden within the recesses of your mind as the assertion that one can get an abortion at any time for any reason successfully renders it entirely irrelevant.

Razor said...

Yes, I'm in favor of my own annihilation, that's exactly what I said. Typical right-winger, completely incapable of any sort of reading comprehension and relies on the absurd for any sort of argument.

Rosie said...

Thordaddy, if you're going to continue to insist you know everything I think and why I think it, then this "conversation" is over. Clearly your mind is made up and your opinion is formed, and I can assure you that nothing you say will change my thoughts as mentioned in the post. If you want clarification on something I said, that's one thing. If you want me to "admit" that I'm a baby-killer or any other nonsensical label you come up with, that's not going to happen either. I am unapologetic for my views.

Thanks for stopping by.

Thordaddy said...


You are pro-abortion. This means you are, hypothetically-speaking, in favor of your own abortion. Now, you can say that you aren't really in favor of your own abortion, but that's irrelevant because YOU wouldn't know about it anyway.

First, whether someone knows or does not know about their impending killing DOES NOT render the killing not a killing.

So the fact that you didn't know about YOUR KILLING does not mean YOU weren't killed. In fact, it just means that if your mom kills you NOW without your awareness IT STILL WOULDN'T be YOUR killing.

Nonsensical, dawg...

Now the fact that you don't have a principled argument against your own killing AS LONG AS IT'S DONE without your knowledge means YOU INTO SELF-ANNIHILATION.

You tell foolz to kill you without your knowledge AND ISN'T REALLY YOUR KILLING.

Silly dj...

Thordaddy said...


When you jump on your global platform to announce that mothers should BE ABLE to kill THEIR CHILD in utero did you not seek opposition? Or, are you simply seeking affirmation?

If it is not the former, but the latter, are you not asking of your readership a belief in the absurd?

Can we REALLY affirm the "fundamental right" of mothers to kill THEIR CHILDREN in utero at ANY TIME and for ANY REASON?

And if we are asked to affirm such an absurd notion DOESN'T this means those asking for affirmation are asking us to affirm something GOOD?

I'll be interested in your response?

Thordaddy said...

Excuse me...


Razor said...

You write like a crazy person...


Thordaddy said...

And you think like a predictable liberal...

Which is to say you're not really liberal. You're a fake liberal just like Rosie. One minute you're clamoring to be liberated and the next minute you're killing something, either yourself or a child. Which means your "liberalism" is just an accelerated path to death.

Rosie said...

Thordaddy, that's enough. If you comment again, I will delete it. You don't get to come on my blog and accuse people of killing. It's pure nonsense, and not tolerated here. Take your hate elsewhere.


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